Jones - A Critique of Critiques.

Political take: dead poets society is a bad movie

Minoan who plays tetris: cool game.
Minoan who plays Elden Ring: turn this ■■■ movie off.

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Big difference between 1 win off legend and legend. Strawman and ad hominem yet again.

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Big difference between having sex and masturbating to Mario. Strawman and ad hominem yet again.

It's pretty clear that the only thing you merit in life is "Intellectualism" and "Conservatism" - I recommend Jordan P Peterson, he talks about the bible a lot like you do.

The difference between 1 win off legend and legend: larger than the difference between virgin and sex haver.

They both involve having one good experience atleast

Get dat wet ass pussy. It's quite funny how much of an emphasis you put on a distinctly black-culture concept.

Shows picture of Elden Ring and WoW: "tell me which one of these is a virgin".

You: they're both virgins!

Tfw goy club is doing the equivalent of going over to the ymca to play with them in the third grade

dont you have a pizza hut menu to review in one of your threads you ■■■■■■ moron

jdance thread 18: toilet troubles this february: a retrospective on me being disgusting, fat, and midwestern.

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Just completely strawmanning me yet again. Yeah I am the "Elden ring fanboy" - I love the lore and story!
You? 140 iq rick, Plays vs AlphaGo all day for fun.

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I suggest watching Don't Look Up

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It helped me get over my obesity

jdance stop dual boxing accounts please

sincerely, the mods

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BASED BASED BASED BASED

I LOVE

WORLD OF WARCRAFT

It's quite crazy how you feel the need to antagonize me when I agree with you on 90% of the points.
You just have an insecure view on liking things that other people like.
Just because a lesser person likes something you like, doesn't make you lesser. You think in fallacies only.

The_Mafia_Mobster_and_the_Vanilla_Town
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What makes a product worthwhile? And how can you judge a product based on consumer feedback? Jones and I were discussing this and came to an impasse. We come to you, dear readers to settle this.

To set the scene:
Jones has been working on a puzzle game concept for the last few days, this lead him into researching more on game design and game developers, which eventually led to this conversation.
We start the conversation by looking at game designer and programmer Jonathan Blow and his popular puzzle game "The Witness". Blow defended his game from criticism by saying that the critics did not fully grasp the meaning behind his game and what it was trying to accomplish.

Jones puts forth the following:
If a game has to be "understood", if it has "meaning" - then it's inherently bad and worthless, that the best games are purely mechanical with no filler. If a game has narrative then it's bad.

"If you can take a screenshot of a three headed dog and post it on reddit and go "this is so cool", it's for animals and dumb people"

He then brings up Dark Souls games as an example. The narrative of the games being purely filler, and that behind that it's an uninteresting game. He claims that games should be mechanically interesting and unique, claims that if Dark Souls games didn't have narrative/art, it would not be near as popular as a purely mechanical game like Tetris or Chess.

And then he finishes with this: If a game requires more than a few sentences to review, it's purely fluff and fake.
He compares game critiques to mathematical proofs, and how shorter proofs are regarded superior and so should shorter reviews. If people can make hour long videos to describe the game, then it's all filler and not worth the time.
In his perspective, you shouldn't try to make narrative or art in games because it has been, and I quote "solved 2000 years ago by the Bible" [sic.]

My response to him was as follows:
While I agree that narrative and "deeper meaning" is filler in the vast majority of games and is appealing to lower denominations, I had to point out that the vast majority of consumers do not actually value it over mechanics, and it does not affect the popularity or the appeal of these games as much as Jones purports. Dark souls games are popular because of their mechanical merit more than anything, it stands out. The cream rises to the top. He disagreed on this, I told him we actually actually agree on this point, but he said that he "agrees more".

One also cannot judge the quality of something based on how people are "reviewing" it - as you can't apply mathematical and scientific principles on all matters of life. People will make absurdly long reviews and critiques about anything that's new and has more substance than moving blocks and chess.

Jones claimed that a review is a description of the game, and that long reviews are long because of the games' filler content, but I countered that by telling him that a review is an evaluation of quality and comparison of a product compared to other products of the same type. He lashed out and thought that I didn't know the definition of the word. Unfortunately for him the word "review" is defined as follows:
A review is an evaluation of a publication, product, service, or company or a critical take on current affairs in literature, politics or culture. In addition to a critical evaluation, the review's author may assign the work a rating to indicate its relative merit.
After lashing out and calling me "an animal", he said that he was done with Teamspeak and disconnected.

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