NADotA Caucus: Rd 4

Do you understand what protection from illegitimate authority means

Kavanaugh confirms he was a VIRGEN until very late in life

An interesting maneuver actually

I can’t claim to speak for congress but I do have to say I was fine with the guy up until I heard about him being a virgin. What a loser.

No VIRGEN nerds on my Supreme Court

Summary

Afghanistan: 1998, 2001-present

President: Clinton, W. Bush
Details: 1998 air strikes targeted the Al Qaeda terror group and Osama Bin Laden. Strikes, beginning in 2001 in response to terror attacks on the U.S, were part of the UN coalition ISAF’s 13-year-long war in the country.

Bosnia: 1994, 1995

President: Clinton
Details: In coordination with the UN, NATO orchestrated aggressive air campaigns targeting Bosnian Serb troops due to an escalating humanitarian crisis in which Serbs attacked civilian Muslim populations in Srebrencia and other UN protected enclaves.

Cambodia: 1965-73

President: Nixon
Details: Suspected communist base camps in Cambodia were attacked in 1969-70, and initially kept secret from Congress and U.S. public. Over 2.7 million tons of bombs were dropped over a 9 year period.

Cuba: 1959-1962

President: Eisenhower, Kennedy
Details: During a failed military invasion known as the “Bay of Pigs,” U.S. B-26 aircrafts camouflaged as Cuban planes assisted ex-patriots in a bombing campaign, with the intention of overthrowing Fidel Castro.

Grenada: 1983

President: Reagan
Details: After a military coup and murder of the nation’s prime minister in 1983, the U.S. invaded the island of Grenada, where some Americans were purported to be in danger. The invasion, which imposed a regime change on Grenada, was later called a “flagrant violation of international law” by the UN but viewed favorably by most Americans.

Iraq: 1991-2011, 2014-present

President: H.W. Bush, Clinton, W. Bush, Obama
Details: Beginning with the Gulf War in 1991, the U.S. and others bombed Iraq and continued with air strikes in an effort to enforce “no fly zones.” These strikes carried over the course of the decade well into the 2003 Iraq war. In 2014, air strikes have resumed in Iraq to combat ISIS forces.

Iran: 1988

President: Reagan
Details: After military clashes in the Persian Gulf, during which an American ship was damaged by an Iranian mining operation, the U.S. Navy retaliated by bombing Iranian oil platforms, along with several vessels in the aftermath when the Iranian navy fought back. (The attack was called unjustified by the International Court of Justice).

Korea: 1950-53

President: Truman
Details: When Northern Korea invaded Southern Korea in an attack supported by Russia and China, the U.S. and others allies rushed to defend the south in an effort to contain communism. The result was an aerial bombing campaign, part of a United Nationsmilitary effort that helped turn back North Koreans and aggressors. The war caused massive damage and death to millions of innocent people.

Kuwait: 1991

President: H.W. Bush
Details: During the Gulf War in 1991, Iraqi-controlled oil facilities in Kuwait were subject to air strikes by the U.S. An international coalition executed a five-week naval and air bombardment, which eventually lead to Iraqi troops’ withdrawal from Kuwait.
Laos: 1964-73

President: Johnson, Nixon
Details: The U.S. dropped about 2.5 million tons of bombs on Laos over a nine year period as part of its “Secret War.” The attacks were to protect U.S. allies from the communist group Pathet Lao and to stop the flow of weapons and soldiers through the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

Lebanon: 1983

President: Reagan
Details: Upon the Lebanese government’s request, the U.S. authorized military forces to help the Lebanese Army regain control amidst a debilitating civil war. Though U.S. forces did not intend to engage in combat, naval attacks were authorized during the second deployment.

Libya: 1986, 2011

President: Reagan, Obama
Details: In retaliation to the Libyan bombing of a German discotheque which killed two American servicemen, and other attacks suspected to be carried out by Libyan agents, the U.S. attacked five terrorist hubs in operation El Dorado Canyon in 1986.

In 2011, American and European forces struck Libyan air defense systems to enforce a no-fly zone and prevent attacks on its own citizens.

Pakistan: 2003-Present

President: W. Bush, Obama
Details: Drone strikes on hundreds of terrorist targets in Pakistan began under the Bush administration and have continued through the Obama administration.

Panama: 1989-90

President: H. W. Bush
Details: The Bush administration perceived Panama’s declaration of a “state of war” between it and the U.S. (along with the execution of an unarmed U.S. marine) as a direct threat to the American citizens living there. For this reason (along with issues of human rights conditions and drug trafficking), the U.S. invaded and bombed Panama.

Somalia: 1993, 2007-Present

President: Clinton, Obama
Details: In 1993, a bloody civil war in Somalia prompted the U.S. and UN to assist with humanitarian aid. After peacekeepers were threatened, the U.S. lead aerial attacks (off which the Black Hawk Down is based). From 2007-2014, the Obama administration carried out drone strikes against al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist groups in Somalia.

Sudan: 1998

President: Clinton
Details: A factory thought to be in part owned by Osama Bin Laden in Sudan was destroyed by U.S. missiles in 1998. However, some suggest that what was thought to be a chemical weapon factory was in actuality a medicine factory.

Syria: 2014

President: Obama
Details: America’s first bombing of Syria is backed by a coalition backed by over 60 nations. The attacks are in response to the militant group ISIS’ terrorist expansion and execution of Western journalists.

Vietnam: 1961-73

President: Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon
Details: During the Vietnam War, the U.S. defended South Vietnam from the Soviet and Chinese-backed North Vietnam. U.S. involvement escalated to a wide-scale bombing campaign in an air war that left South Vietnam devastated.

Yemen: 2002, 2009-present

President: W. Bush, Obama
Details: The first known counter-terrorist attack on Yemeni soil occurred in 2002, killing 6-7 al Qaeda suspects. Since 2009, Yemen has seen hundreds of U.S. drone strikes targeting terror suspects.

Yugoslavia: 1998-99

President: Clinton
Details: In response to humanitarian crisis in Yugoslavia, NATO attacked the country without the approval of the UN, even though no members of the alliances were threatened directly. Bombing relied heavily upon the U.S. Air Force and Navy, and included a controversial bombing of the Chinese Embassy there, which some officials claim was an intentional act.

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Good post, thank you for making it

Unfortunately it is my opinion that it proves my point and I will happily warp reality to continue believing this

From top:

Clinton: neoliberal
W: R
Nixon: R
Eisenhower: hard R
Reagan: R and one of the most egregious offenders in history
H.W: R
Obama: Withholding judgment until at least 12 years after his term
Truman: Pacifist. Ended one of the Biggest wars of all time.
LBJ: Presided over a time in which americans were Least in favor of war - big steps for this country. Unfortunately, long forgotten now
Kennedy: Famously opposed to BoP, leading to his assassination

yes I’m joking with you but if your point was to prove that the history of this country is a long story of needless violence and that Republican presidents have been noticeably less tactful in this area up until the recent rise of the Neoliberal then u and I are in agreement.

dont know about u but I dont see jimmy carter anywhere on that list

One democratic president in the last 50 years not involved in warmongering. One. Doesn’t really prove your point

What argument are you hoping to make here

That liberalism = support of warmongering?

Yes.

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I think pacifism and/or reduction of military spending has tended to be a liberal platform but presidents have not always succeeded in acting on it.

It’s ostensibly a liberal platform, but it isn’t in reality. Bombing third world nations is the real liberal platform

you can make the case that they aren’t successful in it but to equivocate, say, kennedy with reagan just because you want to make the point that the bombing didn’t stop is nonsense

Where do you guys get the effort to care about this stuff genuine question

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and thus you can see why I draw an ideological line in the sand when I see things like:

Obama cabinet was split 50/50 on bombing libya with him being opposed to it and the majority of strong favor for it coming from HRC

Obama goes into first presidency on a campaign of reducing military budgets and actions, vastly reducing involvement in middle east

HRC goes into recent campaign on platform of bombing anything that moves and probably inciting war with russia

I just worry about what I can see

They aren’t successful because they don’t even try. They just say they’re against military interventionism but engage in it anyway

Umm, Yemen?

He reduced boots on the ground. That's not the same as reducing involvement