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Sorry, inc schizo post, I was thinking about Trump's post again this morning, then reread it. Wanted to get some of the thoughts out so they stop bouncing around my head. Apologies that you have to get a reply notification so the context is connected.
While I do not feel I have any new or profound thoughts to share, I just wanted to collect them in one place. My gut reaction was that it reaffirms my feelings on the 45/47th, a lack of empathy, inability to admit wrongdoing, and paper thin skin protecting an incomprehensibly massive ego. None of that has really shifted after further mulling it over. Although I believe I can better understand how someone who is coming at it from a different angle could have come away from it slamming "retruth" and replying "based".
It ties into perhaps the most salient criticism NMA levied at me in this thread, although it was slightly hyperbolic. If I react smugly, ironically, and sardonically with a big eye roll. My words dripping in condescension and disdain, it ultimately doesn't benefit anyone. It reinforces the division, and would only potentially garner some positive responses from those already in my camp. I feel I may have expressed similar sentiments in the past, perhaps even this thread. Though expressing it and following through with it aren't equivalents.
Essentially if someone sees liberals/democrats as smug, condescending, pussies that hide behind sarcasm. I don't actually say anything with my reply, I have only conveyed doubt and/or disgust. I'm repeating the mistake of denying their perspective as having any validity, insulted their abilities(emotional or intellectual), and made them feel they are not worthy of a seat at the table. The sad truth is that given the starting point and current state of the division. Options for shrinking that divide are pretty limited. Their is likely no string of words that I put together, that a trump voter would be receptive to.
My political leanings will act as sort of scarlet letter before it starts, meaning my intentions are essentially irrelevant. It means I can't be trusted and that I am likely entering conversation in bad faith. (seeking conversion exclusively, and not actually interested in discussion) It would be difficult for me to avoid falling into the "stereotypical liberal" mindset anyway. In the process I would taint any chance for a mutual understanding. (essentially a real agree to disagree, but neither party is upset or disrespected) What I mean by this is to avoid approaching it with evidence/stats/corrections that support my position. Do not attempt to point out, or lure out contradictory beliefs or recollections. It also means avoiding resorting to insults even if they fire first. Ask questions, get a better understanding of why they feel the way do, and only share your pov if asked. With all of that it might still fail and devolve because of what each side views is at stake...
I can't speak to trump's capacity for empathy(even though what he puts out publicly, does not instill confidence) his voting block does exude some. If they didn't the emotional and fear based Frank Luntz tested messaging and talking points wouldn't be so effective. The issue arises because of being convinced or conditioned to dehumanize out groups, and justify them as not deserving of that empathy.
The others are criminals, rapists, baby murders, pedofiles, sinners, and they not like us. This is what I feel like is the difference of stakes I mentioned, if someone felt they were fighting against subhuman scum, pure evil incarnate then you wouldn't compromise with or capitulate to evil? Allow some potentially hollow words from the otherside stop you from saving children.
That's why although inaccurate, misleading, skewed, or misinterpreted statistics may be brought into the conversation, position shifts won't be seen from the introduction of more accurate data. It wasn't the data, skewed or not, that got that person into the position they hold, it merely confirmed what they already felt to be true. The new information will be hand waved away, sources will be cited as untrustworthy or overly bias. (government can't be trusted, so no reports from them, mainstream media can't be trusted so can't use those either) They could also argue I am doing the same to them in turn, unable and unwilling to accept the truth they feel they are presenting.
I feel that the two main ways a position like this can be shifted in either direction, especially when its been entrenched to the point of attaching to the self. Is either one, a change in that person's life the experience of which totally reshapes how they see an issue. Doesn't always work, but for an example being anti-gay until someone really close to you comes out, or being against a government funded program right up until you suddenly rely on that program. That's not a very quick or influenceable option, and the goalposts and blame can be moved to new spots asto remain on the same side. (The only just abortion is mine, the only programs we should fund are the ones I use) Option 2 is to remove ignorance through allowing them to see the others as people again, something I can't really do as I don't belong to any of the outgroups currently in the Trump zeitgeist. Though it would be akin to Daryl Davis being able to befriend and ultimately shift the perspective of active KKK members.
Anyway a large number of words that arguably excuse myself from being able to have any real influence. I feel I can still make the effort to not work against it and not play the role of smug douche. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, I can go back to thinking about other things now.
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Adderall
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Imagine I just wrote either nothing or "wow if I read him that way for what he posts, and reply in a similar tone. How can I blame anyone but myself if others do the same to me." Would've saved some time, but I'm onto greener pastures now.
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so did nyte breakup with hype because he's a r*tard narcissist?
You could always ask her yourself.
It'd be moot for me to say anything really, as you will just disregard it, since doubt has been cast pretty heavily on my value as a human/partner etc.
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Nyte broke up with Hype because it turned out he was a Faggot Incel. Gay misogynist.
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You know Gay Misogyny has a deep and storied tradition.
Nice, I'm glad @Nyte was able to get back to you so quickly and wrap this whole thing up. Now with no loose ends (except my asshole), there's nothing left to discuss, you were right the whole time.
Black tuesday