Ethics contains normative applied and metaethics when people say ethics they are referring to normative
i dont think this is the case. i would very much like to be disproven. but im not hearing very many arguments..
nah i mean you're both right, it's just different avenues to the same ends, no?
he's not allowing himself to question the "mechanisms", he's just trying to create them, but doing so from a stance that he doesn't even believe in them, so he can't allow himself to engage with the validity of their conception in order to even question the conceptions and arrive at metaethics
for example, i said i dont know any convincing justifications of “women and children first”. do you know any?
also prove me wrong please, that's just what i'm seeing here.
It's not about analyzing yourself, it's about analyzing society. Why did society develop the ethical claim of "women and children first?" Are the reasons society developed it a good basis for an ethical framework? Those questions don't require any psychoanalysis. They require sociological investigations into society and philosophical examination of those results. Although, the two fields often do both, i.e. sociologists will form answers to both questions and philosophers will also form answers to both questions.
okay. that is good. i approve of that.
Ah, I think the three questions I posed all fall under moral epistemology, and all of his questions have been around that area too
Alright, so work through on answering those questions.
morality comes into being because of biological and social factors. ewiz has proposed studying the social factors. that is a good idea.
I thought I misread him categorizing normative applied and meta into meta instead of ethics,
and then thought maybe he’s referring to the three kinds of questions in section 1 of the article so made a new reply
But now idk
It’s also about analyzing yourself
Because some people do hold universalist viewS of morality
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wait, but i disagree that they dont require psychoanalysis. probably they do require some psychoanalysis because society is made of people.
well this is hard and nontrivial. if this is metaethics it is a good illustrative example. i am under the impression that women and children first is a maritime thing. maybe on boats where there is weak rule of law you need sweeping principles like that or else the men will just kill each other trying to escape a sinking boat? and it was incorporated into general culture. a hypothesis.
Yeah, but he already admitted that there are biological and societal factors, so he's assumed it's relativist, as long as he believes different societies have different societal influences on the ethical question of valuing lives, which is pretty obviously true. Maybe I shouldn't assume that hbotz comes to the very clear conclusion, though
i mean, fuck if i know lbj
i'm just trying to assess within the things being said in this thread. i've never thought of the word metaethic before today, though i've definitely considered metaethics.
Holy shit lmao. You know how fucking complex and structured maritime law is and has been for a long fucking time?
Did you read the wiki article
fuck no.
but i will to be a good example.
Also with multiple replies and people responding to different stuff it’s hard
you asked me how to rank it from good to evil. if you asked me how “someone” might rank it from good to evil then i guess i would give it a more liberal answer. maybe it depends on the mood they happen to be in!