the negation of your claim is not falsifiable right?
you claim that consciousness is metaphysical. i claim it is not metaphysical, it is physical, and located in the brain, though if you wanted to be more safe about it you could include the rest of the body as well.
so i can go on believing consciousness is not metaphysical and is physical and i will never encounter any problems yes? no matter how good AI gets, i cant tell even in principle if its conscious or not, so i can pretend either way with no problems?
No, you need to justify why you pick it in whatever epistemological framework you have. If science is king for you, then you don't pick any theory of consciousness. You don't assert it's in the brain, you don't assert it's separate from the body. Nothing. You only admit you cannot make claims about the nature of consciousness at this time
Epok is griefing the legitimate discussion in this thread and hiding the posts I quoted from the paper to discuss them here
Which I presume were flagged by ewiz due to his personal vendetta - quite ironic considering it's exactly what I was accused of when I flagged a handful of ewiz's many actual abuse & harassment posts
In summary fuck off to both of you. I have basically ignored u and don't think u should be continuing to pursue me for attention/arguments, it's weird and gross
i cannot reject on a scientific basis that "consciousness is metaphysical" according to your nonfalsifiable definitions in the same way i cannot reject that god did created the world as it is just now.
okay.
but what if i claim that we still should reject consciousness being metaphysical and god creating the world as it is just now anyway, for pragmatic reasons? as in, theres no reason thinking about it because it cannot have effects, even in principle.
what are the benefits of believing consciousness is metaphysical?
i can see now why you dont want me to preach to you that consciousness is physical.
I muted this guy days ago and he's still following me around sending random insults and trying to get my attention. Get a hobby other than arguing on the internet and quit enlisting epok in your petty bullshit
Then you're making an argument outside of the framework of empiricism and science.
Why is this true? I've never seen you make an actual argument as to why this is true and you even acknowledged when we were talking about ethics that these kinds of thoughts can affect human behavior
Conceptualizing what consciousness is and how it operates may allow us to better conceptualize why we think the way we think, why we do what we do, how to change the way we think, how to better interact with and communicate with others, etc.
Lmao you muted me but still read all my posts. Sure. Why post shit like this if you're not trying to interact with me in any way?
Is it because I made you look like a fucking fool when you made provably incorrect assertions about how client-server interactions should work? That I just made you look like a moron on the discussion about hedge funds?
Are you just hurt that the two areas that you thought you were more well-informed on and that you could talk down to me about were not, in fact, areas where you knew more than me?
Yes, you muted me. That's why you were looking at the PDF I linked. You really did mute me.
Or you just can't help but read my posts and click on that hidden post button. You just have me muted so you can claim to be above it. You always try to keep up your facade, but it's pretty fucking obvious that's all it is
Also for reference I did this exact thing in the Dota MeToo thread before this dumbass arrived on the site
It was the catalyst for most of the interesting discussion in there. I read something on the internet and then I quote it (intentionally without adding some interpretation of my own) and we discuss.
It's a great way to approach these things and was very successful in that thread, which was probably one of the most popular discussions on the site in terms of how many people showed up and engaged. Several specifically said they appreciated others posting those quotes as it allowed them to discuss even if they did not have time to read all the different shit
So yes, it's entirely dishonest what Ewiz is doing and dan's a fool to get caught up in it
