fuck the police general

Anti-racism as a religion has spread throughout society. Institutions (schools, media, large orgs), suburban book clubs, internet discussions. White Fragility is a #1 NYT bestseller

https://blacklivesmatter.com/defundthepolice/

They don't directly say "abolish" on their site right now, though they have in the past and a lot of their messaging talks about it.

Regardless I think the point is the same - it's not a platform that actually benefits the people they claim to represent. People who live in poor communities are disproportionately harmed, not helped, by reduction/abolition of police.

but why did they fight a civil war over it?

In fact, Boston rioted when they were court ordered to desegregate schools. The Boston Bussing Riots

i am skeptical black lives matter the nonprofit organization accurately speaks for black lives matter the street marchers

I'm skeptical either organization speaks for black people, the actual humans living the lives that matter

It's remarkable how far ewiz, a supposed communist, will go to obfuscate class struggle and class-related obstacles in order to paint everything as racism.

sure. but this does not preclude some or most of the street marchers having ideas that may benefit black people, and the protesting maybe benefiting black people in the long run. which i do believe. if i didnt believe that i would just be against BLM flat out.

I think the marches & protests during the day are great and benefit black people (probably all people) in the long run

Then at night the anarchists and twitter users come out to burn buildings, loot stores, and set up autonomous zones where people get stabbed and raped daily

it also does not preclude Black Lives Matter the nonprofit organization from having some good ideas (not necessarily all of them) but i am uninterested in nonprofit organizations because i do not trust them

at some point i think it's more compassionate and virtuous to ask yourself why you're interested in fighting against people when they say they are experiencing oppression and discrimination.
if you believe in justice, and treating others kindly, i think the aim would be to try and understand and accept these issues and work from a place of true compassion in order to create solutions. not a place of denial, judgement, and negative projection.

how often do you say, what if they are right - how would i be contributing to the problem? is what i'm seeking to achieve and maintain in my values hurt by accepting their experiences and views as valid in order to effectively/practically address issues?

There's a lot of gaslighting in the general political movement though and it's all kind of mixed together with the protests, riots and with the long-rising tradition of auth-left "examine your language" stuff - what once was confined to intersectionality depts of universities and twitter threads has now boiled over into the mainstream and is poisoning the dialogue and making us all unable to talk to each other

i don't think that's happening much - and most commonly in conservative white folks.

it depends on where you draw the line but conservatives are generally expected to be about half the country

also, i feel like you are stereotyping them. while blacks lean more liberal than whites, im still not sure if its legitimate to construct a "white conservative" category. there do exist self-racist black people.

anyway i think one big problem with politics is that it activates the same pathways in your brain as for racism. like, conservatives are racist against minorities. liberals are racist against conservatives.

black people commit disproportionately more crimes, but they are not inherently worse people.
conservatives commit disproportionately more racism but...

oh yes, i just said most commonly. there simply aren't that many black conservatives because of the total pop of black people in america...

and conservative white folks LOVE to use the select conservative black folks who have some sort of socialmedia presence as their go-to on insight for a black experience to speak in general terms. i say this because i am connected to an awful lot of white conservatives who post and spread really stereotypical shit, for instance right now there's a general SPAMMING of the recently murdered child, cannon. you know, "every BLM protest should open with HIS name" that sort of thing is being shared around a ton.

jesus christ.

fair point. i guess what im saying is that this is a microaggression against conservatives. or whites?

to reuse the earlier analogy
"gun violence is generally committed by black criminals" (cringe!)
"anti-pc sentiment is generally held by white conservatives" (what you said)

of course a higher proportion of conservatives are white than criminals are black.

Stop equating conservatism (/general opposition to the racism-above-all-else narrative) with racism, it is a gaslighting tactic

okay, sorry. i think all people are racist tho.

In fact stop equating disagreeing with the narrative with conservatism, majority of the outspoken voices against this (especially black ones) are not conservative voices