Yes it was
It lasted for many years without any injection of money from Valve or anyone else
Youāre stealing my ānot sustainableā argument about the artificial inflated blizz scenes from earlier in the thread and vomiting my words back at me in poorly-constructed non-arguments
In fact I believe the TF2 scene is still going
Somewhat diminished - but the main factor in diminishing it was the growth of overwatch and blizzardās blatant poaching of top tf2 players using promises of filling their pockets with blizzmoney
No, no one could sustain themselves on it. Here's a reference:
Click on any of the top earning players. They're pulling in like 4k a year, max
So youāre once again judging the scene by whether people make a living from it
Which is retarded and has already been addressed in this thread
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I dont want to discuss anything with ewiz guys can somebody else respond to this crap
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No, thatās what sustainable means. Whether the top of the game can make a living from it. Otherwise, they have to get jobs and wonāt be able to compete anymore (or at least not at the top level)
They competed at the top level for many years while having jobs/school/gym whatever else
Whether or not a person makes money from a game isnāt a determining factor of whether the gameās scene is āsustainableā
A ten-year history of successful free leagues and tournaments with very little money involved at all is the clearest indicator something was āsustainableā
Most games where the people are making a living are not āsustainableā because they have been artificially inflated by marketing money and the players are being conditioned to believe you can play the game and make a living for the long term (you canāt). Then, when it all comes crashing down, as we saw in the events prompting this discussion, suddenly the scene and the players go down with it. This is the very definition of ānot sustainableā
In conclusion enjoy your garbage semantics discussions - youāre wrong about everything, all the time, and itās the worst.
Smash wasnāt (and isnāt even now, based on prize money alone) sustainable either by that definition then.
? Between organization sponsorships, YouTube content and twitch streams ur wrong if you think the top players canāt make a living off smash or really just about any popular competitive game these days
Yesterday when I was complaining I went to go check tf.tv and saw a team I used to play with of old regulars post a Lfp thread. I think that dumbass tf2 I clipped one time was in a game with them. Thinking about hitting them up for old times sake but id rather.not reinvest myself in that game
Seagull used to play tf2 for years in relative obscurity, maybe hell come back and bring his new oberWAtch viewers with him now that blactivision has shown they donāt give a shit anymore
Did you not read āBased on prize money aloneā?
It was in parentheses so I didnāt think it was vital to your argument that smash isnāt sustainable and therefore ignored it
SHOW ME YOUR GAMES CYPHER AND THEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ORGANIC BITCH
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I finished Katamari (remastered edition) for the first time today - it was alright, not bad.
Waiting for Dark Souls 4.
Available: March 22, 2019
Sigh
I think kingdom hearts speedrunning scene is for sure the most organic scene out of any of them