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would you dance with a trans woman

Yeah I have and I don't appreciate it

I'm in the weird position where I feel it is kind of wrong to say no to people but some people consider me "a friend" in the sense that I am nice/polite to them but also I feel kind of uncomfortable dancing and they seem to really want to dance

This is basically the experience of women all the time in social spaces btw

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i think youre just a ■■■

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I mean some of those people post transition would surely do some inappropriate things, such as "sexual performance". trans people aren't magically good people by default.

but judging every single one of them as nothing more than "people who want to perform sexual performances" would be beyond ignorance, I can't even thing of the right word to describe it.

sorry you had a bad experience though

No you don't understand. The motivation to transition for a guy is sexual performance. It is a form of fetish. This is well-studied

well studied by whom, you?

link me the studies, i'll read them

did you read the eugenics stuff?

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I think this is essentially the problem of dancing - it is also somewhat a performance (not necessarily sexual, but maybe sexual to some male-brained fetish perverts)

obviously

so you admit you're completely wrong.

i admit you linked me a garbage source that came to incorrect conclusions

yes and I think any trans people who did want to be "sexually preformative" would be probably found in that exact environment

On the ■■■ front I dance with guys, it's just that a lot of those guys are my friends/it's just a joke, not homosexual. And I do get tired of this sometimes. So I think it comes down to - some people are not friends, they are acquaintances. And they aren't aware of that distinction.

But I am also conflicted because I'm sure some women (who I actually want to dance with) feel that way about me: just an acquaintance, not a friend, and not always that happy to be asked, but trying to be polite. Or moreover: Some people might feel they are subject to my "performances" against their will. This is the sort of thing that when you start think about it it takes a lot of fun out of dancing because you're second-guessing, stuff feels kinda weird. All because I danced with a guy (in a non-gay way).

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this is the biggest ■■■ talk I have ever seen: when I'm swimming next to a woman the only thing I'm thinking of is whether I'm going to embarass her or not.

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The easy solution I found is just to not ask anyone and let women ask me, but sometimes this results in dancing with people you don't want to dance with. (And obviously won't work for beginners as when you start you have no friends and nobody really wants to dance with you because you don't know what you're doing. Actually it won't work for most people, it only works for me because I'm extremely popular - with both men and women - but not in a gay way)

This is borderline autogynephilia tbh

Men and women have different bodies (as nature intended) - of course you are supposed to be faster than the woman. It shouldn't even cross your mind to compete - the minute you are "comparing" yourself to a woman like this you are basically a transsexual.