He isn't educated to any degree. I want him to admit that
you kind of did? by question-marking all of the responses? heavy implications?
This is huge news
Didn't realize we were discussing religion
Is consciousness contained within God? What happens if we smash his brain?
okay, sorry. i misunderstood your sarcasm 
can you give me a real one then? if consciousness is metaphysical, what can you say about it?
well it turns out this is all a matter of "spiritual" rejection, because hbotz thinks all of our experience is contained within the brain, and is strictly physically accounted for. (correct me if i'm wrong, i'm speaking loosely)
something like this. but i would be okay with a proof that consciousness is metaphysical. but i would respond vehemently if it somehow concluded that the consciousness leaves the body on death.
i claim: consciousness is physical.
godel says consciousness creates structures isomorphic to metaphysical ones.
i say: apparently this is false. there are not literally structures isomorphic to metaphysical ones. some evidence: there is a lot of bad philosophy and mathematics; so apparently merely thinking your structures are isomorphic to metaphysical ones doesnt cut it. you can write a program to enumerate all proofs, so being able to produce correct mathematics doesnt cut it. the fact that some mathematics can be done by humans is not evidence humans are tapping into the metaphysical when doing mathematics.
the motivation for this is that from the inside, it feels like you have structures in your head isomorphic to the metaphysical ones. but you also feel like you have a world in your head isomorphic to the world, except it isnt.
Lol @theGreatWingdingi actually went and flagged every post where I asked him for his education background to because he wouldn't cite sources for any of his claims. You're dumb as fuck
also, lets suppose you completely accepted that doing real math is necessarily a metaphysical process.
most people are usually not doing math most of the time. is consciousness metaphysical when youre just walking down the street? is it metaphysical when youre doing bad and wrong math but dont realize it?
No actually I did. It was spam
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It was making the thread unreadable
apparently, if you take drugs, you can alter your consciousness by physically affecting your brain. what exactly is the metaphysical part youre trying to abstract out? what is it do? is it precisely the part that is capable of creating real math that passes peer review?
No one ever said that.
You have never, ever provided a justification for that or a way to empirically falsify it.
This isn't evidence, and I want you to point out some bad mathematics. You can't do it, can you? You can't cite a single thing, can you?
It's not a mere thought. You don't have the slightest conception of how math works. It's a rigorously formalized, peer reviewed proof. It has a truth value that you can verify. Unless you can point to an error in his proof from 1947 that is one of the most famous proofs of the 20th century, you don't get to make this claim.
What? This isn't true.
It absolutely, 100% is and until you can point to an error in Godel's proof, you don't get to make these claims.
Your intuition is useless here. The mathematical construction of the proof does not adhere to any form of normal intuition.
Consciousness is necessarily metaphysical because of the ability to do math. That doesn't mean it can't engage with the world, either directly or indirectly.
Fuck, even your assertion that we don't actually experience the world, only abstractions of it makes this argument stronger. That argument then can be extended without any contradictions to the idea that, since all experiences are abstractions, every experience you have operates on a metaphysical level.
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all proofs can be expressed in formal language. write a program that enumerates all strings. done. you can also feed it into another program that throws it away if it doesnt map to a correct proof.
This is absolute nonsense. I'd like to you actually read section 2.4 here. It is not very long.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel/#GodWorSetThe
And I'm not misinterpreting Godel. He famously said "Materialism is false."
okay, then i disagree with godel.
This is trivial because it assumes an infinite amount of time to generate the proofs (in fact, it requires at least an uncountably infinite amount of time). It's also not legitimate mathematics: machine proofs are not human verifiable because of the number of logical steps they take (millions for complex proofs). It's because they brute force it. So you can't know whether there's a bug in the code and a proof has an error or if the proof is actually correct. In fact, this is unprovable in general for any computer proof generating system.