yeah, this is more self centered worldview. you're just looking to condemn, while acting as if you've never (and could never) do anything damaging, especially not "equally"
I can't believe u fucking argued with me about this for 20 posts in this thread
I'm out
I think gaslighting someone about their mental health is probably far worse than using some expletives, but what do I know?
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hm, okay. this may also be a cultural gap, where the people around me take this kind of nihilism-lite well. nothing matters so you dont have to worry! do whatever you want! like i read that sentence about bags of flesh and i get a sense of perverse satisfaction. maybe it doesnt work on regular people. donating to a church is fine for most people who donate to church. but there are degenerate cases like televangelists etc.
im open to think more about it, but then you can use chinese-room argument etc. to avoid premature bounds on possible advancement on the basis of human-brain-exceptionalism.
fair. but i think its "easy" to explain to physicalists that the brain is super complicated and the transformer doesnt have important structures so we should not expect it to be able to do all things. although i think your earlier position that it "just" recombines strings or somesuch might be unnecessarily pessimistic. i think we should look into how much of human cognition is "just" recombining strings and more broadly, received ideas. but maybe youve encountered a lot of stubborn transformer enthusiasts.
I didn't understand the last paragraph, and I think you clarifying this would help
okay.
my take:
the most useful way to look at things is to assume there is baseline reality. but you cannot directly access the baseline reality. you are stuck in your own head and working with abstractions that are related to but are not exactly reality.
there is physical reality. human physics in the brain represents physical reality. but assuming our physics is exactly isomorphic to reality might be excessively arrogant, because our physics has been wrong before.
there is a human mind. the human theory of mind in the brain represents the human mind, but assuming our theory of mind is exactly isomorphic to reality might be excessively arrogant, because we misunderstand how other people are thinking all the time.
there is a human cognitive process. the metaphysical view of consciousness represents the human cognitive process, but assuming the metaphysical view of consciousness is exactly isomorphic to reality might be excessively arrogant, because the metaphysical view of consciousness is a work in progress.
the mental understanding of the thing is not the thing itself. and furthermore when i assume the world and human mental processes are physical, i would say the mental understanding of the thing cannot even in principle be isomorphic to the thing itself-- perfect understanding is impossible because your brain is smaller than the universe. epistemeological humility, or something.
why believe in physical reality first and leave as secondary your mental perception of it?
between the two options
- assume baseline reality meaningfully exists. dont assume you aren't delusional.
- don't assume baseline reality meaningfully exists. you are not delusional. your experience is fully primary.
the first seems more functional than the second to me. perhaps there is a third alternative i havent thought of?
Electro I read your latest posts. I will make you a $500 bet that if you go to a mental health professional and show her
A) this thread, and the fact that you have argued every day for 14+h in it
B) jdance's thread and your similar behavior in that one, and
C) the thread dan deleted where you posted "kill yourself" over and over in varying levels of detail
The mental health professional would find those things concerning.
I am 100% not trying to gaslight or antagonize, it is my actual opinion that these things are not normal and should be cause for concern.
Also I won't be reading your responses as my personal lived experience is much better without people like you in it. Best of luck and all that
Have you ever met lucky Larry?
Nope
Yeah, it is a lot easier to live life as a shitty person when you don't listen to the people calling you out for being a shitty person
Has it ever occured to you that ewiz may be right? And that other than his multitude of personal, professional, and sexual problems that he is a successful and well rounded person?
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You know I realized last night asoul, that you become who you hang out with. Currently, you are the best friend I've ever had, and currently I am not doing well. Basically I'm saying that you are the problem
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With all dude-respect ewiz is now my best friend
Should we tell them about the Jones account sharing thing we've been doing?
Asoul and I played this same shit years ago, pretending to be sharing some other person's account. Not gonna fall for it lol
Okay guys here's the truth: we've been fostering Jones. He reached out to us for mental health coaching and we figured now a good time to help him out.
I get Jones every other weekend. We've been allowing Jones to use our computers as part of his therapy, and last night unbeknownst to us, we learned that he had been harassing ewiz on the site on multiple occasions.
Sorry about that @electrowizard, it was jones the whole time. Sorry you thought he was your friend
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there are a lot more insane people than u guys on the internet. ewiz is 4/10 crazy at best.