Zelenskyy calls on world leaders to react to video of murder of Ukrainian prisoner of war

Read the whole thing and consider it nonsense

Biden openly said "there will be consequences" and then the pipeline blew up

CIA planted story to go with the CIA planted explosives

Anyone see the resemblance to a certain poster?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-ukraine-used-western-rockets-destroy-bridge-kursk-region-2024-08-17/

The United States, which has said it cannot allow Russian President Vladimir Putin to win the war he in February 2022, so far deems the surprise incursion a protective move that justifies the use of U.S. weaponry, officials in Washington said.

Slowly inching toward Deep Strikes on Russia proper -- only way to interpret this Kursk ■■■■■■■■■■■■

I think ■■■■■■ just josseling for position for negotiation power when big trump gets in

There is a nuclear power plant they could attempt to capture and threaten to explode, but other than that there's nothing of strategic value. it's a given that they can't hold anything because of supply, air, etc.

but they're not going to make it to the nuclear power plant and the election is too far away.

It does remind me of a last ditch final offensive meant to create a situation where you can sue for peace and get better terms in a peace agreement. Like the battle of the bulge, but we will see how it works out for the ukranians

they have to capture a nuclear power plant and literally threaten to blow it up for this to lead to "peace" -- "invading Russia" lessens any internal political pressure on Putin to come to the table (they're being invaded!) and they're A) unable to sustain their "offensive" B) are going to lose no matter what.

the WSJ article being published is telling that Zelesnkyyy & Co. is COOKED; they're a dying animal willing to do anything regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

this is all about murdering civilians, making tiktok videos of Ukrainian soldiers cutting down Russian placards on towns with a population of 2500.

russia will soon fall and fragment into petty slavic kingdoms. SAD!

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Russia would certainly come to a peace agreement, they’ve literally been saying that they want a peace agreement since almost the start of the war. The ukranians (under direction of the UK/Germany) backed out of the most reasonable peace deal and since then I doubt they’ve had any serious negotiations but if Ukraine made certain concessions russia would undoubtedly agree

lol

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nah youre fucking wrong bro, plenty are smart enough to understand cause and effect in Russia

I love how confident you ■■■■■■■ are when you say this shit

never "in my opinion" it's always just some cold hard fact

and what was the Russian invasion all about?

the most reasonable compared to what, other terrible deals? Russia has never once actually tried to make a fair offer to Ukraine, and now they're paying for that.

Why would Ukraine trust anything Russia says at that point? They had just spent the last 4 months saying "Lol we're not gonna invade Ukraine". They are liars and the only way to deal with them is from a position of relative strength

Russia was asking for territory it didn't even hold yet

"give us all these things or we'll keep shooting missiles at your civilians" isn't much of a peace position, it's blackmail

This is meaningless as a peace can always be made. The point is that the "invasion of Kursk" doesn't increase this likelihood, it weakens it. The Russians aren't even defending because it weakens the Ukrainian position elsewhere. No point in stopping when your enemy is doing r*tarded shit for no reason.

Historically, any attack on native soil by a foreign nation will rally some of the people to nationalism, etc.; it's no different in this war.

You don't know how to write.

They've gotten a deal that the US/UK felt the need to intervene on which was mentioned previously in this thread about a year ago.

Just brain-dead tier level analysis. You realize actual serious people run these countries.

some people yes, and some people will want peace, which is what I said

It wasn't a good deal for them dude. Feel free to argue why it was.

oh you think Putin is a rational actor? word?

And that doesn't matter... ? Again, there's no political pressure as A) they're winning and B) an attack on native soil will ennervate nationalism. This is just common sense.

It was good enough for the US/UK to intervene and explicitly tell Ukraine to not sign it.

More rational than Biden? I don't know why you think it's reasonable to just assume these people are incompetent, irrational, etc. This is not a state like the US which has been on autopilot since FDR; the Soviet Union imploded and it's undeniable that the Russians have regained status as a world power regardless of whether their state is some kleptocrat oligarchy. The Russian institutions are likely healthier than whatever we have in the US.