probably less effectively, which is the point
Well if you are asking what the alternative is to make them stop doing bad shit, then I don't know. But sanctions have proven to be pretty shitty and after all this time even the people enacting them will admit they don't know if they work.
If you are asking what alternative to answer election interference, then we can work here at home to defend against those things. We don't need to solve it by punishing Russian people.
I think burning down police precincts is pretty effective in moving the needle when the ballot box repeatedly fails
Most of the recent rounds of sanctions against "Russia" doled out by the Obama / Trump administrations are not carried out against the state at large like they are for say Iran or North Korea, but instead they specifically target individuals within Putin's sphere of influence.
Some of these people receive purely symbolic reprimands for political posturing that don't really mean anything like travel bans or like when consulates are closed.
Some of them however have their assets frozen in overseas banks that are typically huge bag-holders of Putin's personal wealth. This doesn't harm Russian people economically.
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That isn't what I read says. The sanctions interfere with their energy economy and trade capabilities. The ones under Trump too. I think people under Putin's sphere of influence are maybe involved in those things.
edit: nevermind, you are right. the sanctions proposed did not, but members of congress pushed for them to target gas exports and oil stuff. my oopsies
I 100% agree. I am not scolding anyone for doing something like that. I applauded it.
energy pretty much IS their economy, so their economy being hurt for warmongering sounds well and good to me
man I should have listened to myself when I said I didn't have the energy for this. I am old!
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they have pretty much no competitive industry, no competitive tech/electronics sectors, nothing
just respond when you have time it’s fine
I have come to terms with the fact that I will be posting at you people when I am 70
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I guess I would need to dig into that a bit deeper, I was mostly thinking about the Magnitsky act.
I have mixed feelings about that kind of thing, the chaz stuff in Seattle started out well, but it didn't end that way once the homeless started running amok, people's businesses were held hostage, and eventually someone was murdered.
As far as primaries go, it's funny how Bernie Sanders basically single-handedly changed the discussion to economic inequality & healthcare reform to the point where the other candidates just started aping his talking points because they have no concrete platforms of their own.
I edited my post in case you didn't see. The sanctions under Trump were indeed different and, based on a skim over it again, probably didn't have an economic effect. Members of congress pushed for them to include those additional targets that would cause an economic effect, though. That's just from a skim so I could be wrong. But I think the Obama ones definitely did have an economic impact.
Ah the Bern....I miss you
big fan of not getting conscripted into the military and instead getting to play wargames on pc and boards instead
Feel that?
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Fire emojis seem tasteless while California burns up. My apologies.
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yeah my mom's house is in danger of being lost to firestorms
show some restraint
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We tried that. They stole the early primaries then conspired for a massive dropout after pushing fake polls before Super Tuesday.
Also lmao insom is really at "what??? Sanctions are bad? Preposterous."
No point engaging with this buffoon
Yeah but 2016 and 2020 primaries demonstrably affected policy in the US. I can't say the same for people withholding votes. This is all clearly flawed and fucked up. The fact that in two primaries we can only gain this much isn't something to celebrate, but that doesn't mean withholding votes does anything. We can only do what we can. I think voting for a lesser evil president has more positive impact than withholding. It doesn't feel good to say I will vote for 72 hour child separation in opposition to indefinite child separation, but I think that is all we can do with this vote, and withholding it doesn't do any better.