Christmas Is Cancelled. Wintermute's Winter Wonderland Mafia Game

old_electrowizard_acc · December 31, 2018, 3:23pm

Yeah I did too, but the notion was to try to get the real Yukon to out himself in response

big_ass · December 31, 2018, 3:26pm

If I design a role like yours in the future I think it has to be a 1-per-night thing

Thing is I wanted to make it really prohibitive for elves to claim - and having done so they can just solve the game

old_electrowizard_acc · December 31, 2018, 3:28pm

The issue here is the closed setup. Elves didn’t know they could claim to break the setup, nor did they know there was a counter to that play. So I don’t think you really need to build in that counter

big_ass · December 31, 2018, 4:56pm

Well they aren’t supposed to feel safe mass claiming. That’s why the opening post says “THERE IS PROBABLY A ROLE IN THIS GAME THAT KILLS YOU IF YOU CLAIM”

The odd thing was they did claim and nobody put 2 and 2 together and realized you had a shit-ton of elves and then a couple guys that were clearly not with it and those were the guys to be poked (because one, you know, eats elves)

I think it was just one of those things. People were with families and such and a lot of people either weren’t around or weren’t really thinking about breaking the setup

big_ass · December 31, 2018, 4:57pm

I think friend’s play to claim Delivery Elf and out his two chat companions was super strong and people were 100% buying that and ready to lynch nma and nyte (the two town elves in that delivery elf trio)

anon_yang · December 31, 2018, 4:58pm

It was very obvious that he was the mafia elve hahaha

big_ass · December 31, 2018, 4:58pm

Was it?

big_ass · December 31, 2018, 4:59pm

The reason there was no cancer in the game was that of the three stocking-stuffer elves:

matticus rolled 2 treats (does nothing but gives you an opportunity to town-clear one player and chat privately with him - maybe solve the game over time
krazy had 1 coal but didn’t use it - perhaps smartly
Flop with 2 coals never used his ability

big_ass · December 31, 2018, 5:00pm

Nyte also delivered 1 of the treats outside the game which was the reason Jones entered

big_ass · December 31, 2018, 5:01pm

NMA tried to night-kill Ian because he thought maybe Delivery Elves were supposed to be the scum and that was the reason there had been no kills yet

anon_yang · December 31, 2018, 5:04pm

No I didnt think that

flopagis · December 31, 2018, 5:57pm

Sorry about not being active. This was quite the setup and I appreciate the effort!

anon_yang · December 31, 2018, 6:21pm

Matticus · December 31, 2018, 7:07pm

I would have had more fun if the kills were distributed more evenly over the nights or I had some other kind of ability. In a closed setup where anyone can just claim anything I have a hard time since I don’t do well with personality reads alone.

Matticus · December 31, 2018, 7:09pm

Yes, raccoon this game.

Matticus · December 31, 2018, 7:11pm

I think it’s important in a closed setup to have a trickle of mechanical interactions each day to talk about and that just never happened this game.

old_electrowizard_acc · December 31, 2018, 7:12pm

That’s one of the reasons I held my kills. Don’t give more info out in a closed setup than you need to.

old_electrowizard_acc · December 31, 2018, 7:13pm

That’s town’s fault. You all needed to press for claims, so you could catch something that didn’t seem right. Idk what I would’ve claimed, but no one ever pushed for claims

Matticus · December 31, 2018, 7:15pm

I can come up with excuses like that it was Christmas and a for-fun game, which it was, but the other side of it is that you can just claim anything and it seemed unlikely to verify if that’s a valid role. You’re right though and I’m generating excuses to defend myself.

old_electrowizard_acc · December 31, 2018, 7:18pm

No, I think that’s a very valid excuse. Pressuring for claims doesn’t work well when half the game is afk. However, it’s far harder to make a believable fake claim in closed setups than you think. Mass claims in closed setups have often outed scum when their powers don’t seem to fit the game.