I think the only potential to save this game is a custom games toolkit and some user designs a really fun “pub” mode
The other thing they could try is make the items more unique
The items all kind of generically make u stronger & progression is very linear - it is not a recipe for “fun”
For it to be fun you need items that actually change the way the game plays out significantly
And you need opportunities for players to be creative and come up with unique interactions between them
Custom games toolkit would be epic but feels lofty and I don’t know why. Would help tho
So far the “unique interactions” people found were just things that needed to be patched out
Because the upgrades are all like: +X% to some stat
So the creative stuff that has been found was like: buy tons of +aoe and cover the whole map with Ivy’s vines. Had to be removed
There is one guy that is doing YouTube videos of like - bbop puts double bomb on Calico with magic carpet
Even double bomb has been nerfed once already. Echo shard expensive now
If the calico thing is actually good, they will have to nerf that too
So what’s left? All of your build opportunities/opportunities for creativity are just: increase stats by X
And this style of progression is, at its core, not fun. Get more stats and then stomp people. The core game design is a dud
Yeah I’m just voicing my personal experiences.
Custom game modes can fix this because they can allow themselves to be zany
I should be able to get big enough as viscous ball that I can’t fit thru doorways any more. I should be able to get majestic and jump over the whole map as lash
And it should be balanced in a way that it doesn’t just ruin the game for that stuff to happen. Because that is what would make the game actually fun. Being zany without being so strong that it ruins the enemy’s fun
If you think about fun days in tf2 or dota, this is what it was all about
And it reveals the hidden backside of that coin which is that you get too much advantage right now by being ahead in souls, the +X% items are too strong to allow zany play
Anyway custom games editors won’t happen because they have barely figured out how to get the main game off the ground
Maybe community can save it and come up with funny and creative interactions later, we’ll see
I know I’m not disagreeing with you just word vomiting my latest deadlock soliloquy
Echo shards a smart call out. I remember feeling like it was an anomaly, and it is. In dotas roster it definitely feels like less of one
Did they not add anything good item wise from your pov?
They added some interesting stuff, I haven’t tested it all
I think witches armor is probably good
Scourge and the other spirit item with explosions are just stat increase win harder items
I can upload my build in a few days, I was winning pretty consistently with it. I think viscous splatter max is pretty slept on and is a very traditional dota style build. Max your nuke to farm like crazy and then pivot to teamfighter build with the farm advantage
Oh and removing ranked probably made the game more fun
I still have interactions with majority pleasant people and haven’t really had the traditional miserable moba teammate experience in this game recently
Luckily we are adding goy club to this thread soon - we all will get a chance to play with the legendary worst moba teammates of all time
I played a game a week or 2 ago after not playing for 6 months and I’m ass
Hate that feeling
Really got fucked because I was away for a month when the meta was developing and it felt like I fell behind from all the best players who just kept playing plus the changes and when I came back I just didn’t really pick it up again. I think if I kept playing I’d still be like top 0.1% like I was
Maybe if I grinded it again like crazy I could catch up but idk
But also I think people figured out Moe and krill is really good and back then I was spamming him and he was one of the least picked champs. And bebop nerfs sucked for me
It’s crazy that a game with over 10,000 users on is “dead” to the PC gaming world.
Isn't it still in beta like give me a break lmao. Even though we all know how long a valve "beta" lasts (doto 2)
It was losing players steadily for many months in the beta
Dont think that ever happened for dota 2
But I think it is "alive" again after recent heroes were added
Even have an old TF2/Dota friend who has started dumping hours into it
I say that because most games I play have like average 300 players lol
game fun, lot going on, movement good, but it is still a dota game and so you can ignore your team and play macro for like the first half of the ranks.