fuck the police general

What about your parents? Are you going to burn their vacation home down?

is a LLC of one a business :thinking:

Loot them and then burn or seize them. If they aren't operating in a way that benefits the worker and doesn't steal their value, then they should be seized and repurposed for the benefit of the worker.

So rental properties should be burned then. but you just said your home shouldn't be burned because you rent it.

Presumably somebody's renting it to you and accruing wealth

i dont see why you want to loot them. looting is inefficient. you can seize them and carefully redistribute it more optimally, which in the case of starbucks would probably be continuing to serve coffee since its already specialized for coffee-serving.

looting them is just first-come-first-serve everyone grab as much wealth as you can, isnt it? that seems quite yikes to me

You quoted the part where you said "it shouldn't be done" but then not the next sentence (the one I was responding to) where you said it's actually fine if they are rich

the point is that violence destroys coffee shops thus making everyone worse off. u should at least leave it as a coffee shop

Yeah aren't the looters accruing wealth

Your house isn't the business you fucking moron. Your LLC is the business that you're the sole proprietor of. How are you this fucking dumb?

There is no gotcha here with "well then, the factory isn't a business." Advocacy for destruction and seizure was specific to the mechanisms of production that are used to steal the labor value of the worker. Your house isn't that: the businesses you contract for have those mechanisms, be it a factory or store or whatever. The destruction or seizure of those is the destruction or seizure of your source of wealth generation.

They don't own a vacation home. They don't own any properties that they rent. They own their personal house and that's it. If they did own a vacation home or a home they rented, then it should be seized or destroyed.

You know this is bad faith bullshit.

yes but i am a LLC of one. i accrue wealth. i have only one employee (me).

serious question. would you leave this alone? even if i create a massive multi billion dollar internet company from my house?

You said I advocated that their houses "should" be burnt down. Not caring if they are isn't the fucking same as advocating that they should be. And there's no fucking "gotcha" here on punishing bystanders or those that don't agree: I already said if they don't work towards furthering or sustaining oppression then it doesn't matter. Hint: burning down the house of some rich asshole isn't furthering any oppression. Burning a coop or locally owned, non-exploitative business is and should be punished.

and suppose i employ one marginal programmer, and pay him very well and he has no complaints (but not half the company). is this a problem?

You are accruing wealth from the companies you serve as a contractor for. Destroying their mechanisms of stealing wealth destroys your mechanisms of stealing wealth. I fucking said that already.

okay. use the internet company example instead.

The entire personal/private distinction itself is bogus, plenty of people have businesses out of a desire to personally better themselves, their community, and the world around them - not as some cynical "skim the wealth off the labor of my wageslaves" thing

But for the sake of the conversation we are pretending to go along with these definitions

Does your one employee have an equal ownership stake and equal profit share? No? Then your shit will be seized or destroyed. Yes? Then your shit will be left alone.

yeah sure but if you run it inefficiently someone will start offering to buy your business. maybe you should sell your business then use the money to efficiently do charity instead of bettering your community. generally its acceptable to model all businesses as purely profit focused since thats where the incentives point.

How do you distinguish the non-exploitative from the exploitative and what about all the non-exploitative small businesses that have been looted and burned across the country since this started?