imagine being incredibly skilled at your game at 17 years old and not developing anxiety as all of the north american soylords watch all your games
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this is not to mention how absolutely soul crushing it must be to play 12 hours a day for an entire year only to bomb out at TI and have 2k players on reddit snort milk out of their nose laughing at you. and it's not as if you can explain yourself to them and say what actually happened... you just have to try and ignore them and their ridiculously incorrect takes.
I know that would sure as fuck bother me.
Stfu jew
Well the issue is eSports in na is dog for profitability so you have to force donkeys like @Sammyboy to stream because them just playing isn't worth shit
Not because Sammy is shit. Because the viewership is shit
Thank you all for posting in my thread
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@Sammyboy you think a bunch of petulant donkey lefties attempting to cancel me FOR THE TRUTH going to make me different? NO
Ill smack the shit out of all of you if we ever meet at a lan.
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im in talks with some 9k euros. Couple turks n shit. They the new mesikans amirite @Vanilla_Town sandnig ? i am
I'm 5k if you're interested.
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because they only care about short term profitability because most are enigmatic and vaguely predatory VC types. thats what I was saying
There is another model and it does work. This is a proven fact. Look at Liquid under Victor Goosens (sorry if I butchered his name) Look at EG under Alex Garfield.
You can play the long game and be rewarded for it Thoe aren’t the only two examples, just the easiest to use here.
And I don’t attribute their success simply to ‘esports’ being in a bubble and them getting in early. I think it is an approach that genuinely works, and you see it across all forms of small-medium businesses
ask yourself who did Liquid have before HuK?
Does it matter? Whoever that person is, they helped grow that company into an empire. Never in a million years would you or anyone else believe that person could help turn Liquid into what it became, and yet they did.
And if you were looking to build an esports brand LONG TERM and wanted an NA Dota2 squad, someone like Sammyboy would be perfect.
But sadly it seems such people no longer exist
Yeah nice story. Dota is not LoL it is set up in a way to capitalist pigs thrive.
DPC
I can pay Mexicans for 10% of the prize pool or pay yanks 5x more for the exact same prize pool.
From a pigs perspective the choice is simple.
I prefer starving Turks tbh
Bread expensive af there now
Liquid started in SC2 which had a fraction of the money of either scene. My point is SC2 had so little money that these predatory types really didn't exist, or if they did they couldn't offer any money that made it worth not playing for a real team. The closes I can think of is Wemade FOX buying Moon and buying him a GSL Code-S slot, but I don't really consider that the same breed of venture capitalism.
In fact both EG and Liquid were at their most prominent and highest levels of growth when SC2 was their primary focus. It was from that point they branched out into every other game and eventually reorganised their priorities both in terms of which squads they spent which amount of money on and what they valued as a company.
Both orgs went on to win a TI in DotA 2 and became literal empires, but it's important to remember their humble beginnings and what made them desirous places to play for in the first place.
Anyone who is trying to build an org in 2022 should be emulating EXACTLY that. (imo)
also the subtext of all of those posts which I think you won't notice unless I tell you directly is that you are in eSports for the wrong reasons and that is why you always have and will continue to fail.
if you copy everything I just told you about what made EG and Liquid successful you can unironically succeed at this shit. it's not too late. you would have to drastically change as a person as well though.
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I am quite literally the most qualified person on this entire forum to have an opinion on this very niche subject. anyway that's the end of my rant
I created my own org when I was 18 years old in January of 2011 for SC2, and by January of 2013 it was profitable, had teams in multiple games, had the most grandmasters on SC2 NA ladder (some of which I paid aka poached from other teams), were sponsered by RAIDCALL (who also sponsered EG, Fnatic and others at the time) and made more money than we spent. I created all of this by myself, with very little help, when I was 18 in 2011 and it was an infinitely harder thing to do (make money in esports as a small fish). There's lots more but I don't want to type it all out because I think it's annoying for people to read over and over. I'll PM you if you're interested.
I don't say any of this to brag, It's all been said before, I'm just saying it to you because I don't think you know any of this lore
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I'm in eSports to fuck with people now. It's not about money anymore.
I have the csgo scene going nuts for some simple opinions