And to answer your question yes you are clearly a very homophobic person. Your views constantly align with yns in most things, and he's the second most extreme person here after Jones. Generally bad experiences are what push people to these views, and clearly you've had some. My condolences. However, go fuck yourself.
Then stop intentionally trying to piss me off, just post like a normal fucking human being
I don't know if I've ever had a "bad experience" with a gay person, but I have had a lot of firsthand experiences with close gay friends (in a non-gay way). So I would say I see into their behavior, the challenges they have, the way they interact with the world, and their views of their own culture & community as a whole and I have a perspective/insight which a lot of people in "proper liberal society" don't have.
Just like how most "abolish the police" types don't live/go to actual places where having police would actually make a difference.
The bottom line is some worldviews don't survive collision with reality - or rather, they evolve and adapt. And true compassion isn't blinding yourself and proselytizing (fighting "bad guys") on the internet, it's seeing things as they actually are and engaging with them with your whole authentic self.
you seem to enjoy arguing but also understand alightsoul and yns hold polar opposite opinions of yours and won't change just like you. you can't just talk or text everyone into believing what you believe
However I speak only for myself, I know some of the other guys in this discussion have actually had "bad experiences" (whether the topic is sexual deviants or minorities) so some of their perceived anger could come from there. & moreover you should be aware that many people will intentionally overstate/make more offensive the way they feel about these things to provoke the discussions you've been having here.
Except I never once condoned excessive party culture in the gay scene, I condemned it literally like three posts in. I have no idea what your point is supposed to be.
Yns is suggesting there's something inherently wrong with gay people that is linked to them being gay in the first place. Is that what you also believe? Because that's what I'm arguing against here. I'm arguing in favour of sociological factors, whatever they may be, being the biggest problem they face. Not that they're fucking "made wrong".
isn't there a better argument? the 'who cares' argument?
Yes, obviously
hate to sometimes relate to the return to monke neanderthals but at the end of the day you have to measure what you care about and i dont really care that gay people may be more hedonistic than others
I think I have a blind spot when it comes to lesbians. Most "lesbians" i've known are not actually lesbians, they're traumatized and/or socially influenced "queer" people who in like 2-5 years will be in a committed long-term relationship with a dude. There's another community of girls that I haven't really broken into because they genuinely just keep to themselves and are only interested in engaging/opening up with women. They presumably have their own unique culture that differs significantly from what gay men are up to
neither do I, but I do care if people try to abuse that fact (which is likely a symptom of the way they're treated generally) and say it's because there's "just something wrong with them". There is not.
hedonism is pretty low on the vice totem pole for me personally but others feel different. i can't make them feel a different way
we know for a fact that childhood is a huge factor in shaping who we are as a person, and I have a pretty good imagination. when I try to imagine what that would be like, I can see how it would completely fuck you up mentally, for a long time, sometimes in irreversible ways. even without any active bullying, even without anyone knowing you were gay.
so you have someone who is an adult in a world that suddenly accepts gay people (or rather, city, and certain cities at that), and you throw a lot of drugs into the mix, online apps, etc. It's perfectly fucking understandable.
You know how the stereotype for girls that went to religious high schools is that they become freaks in college? I really don't think it's that different.
i cringe far more whenever alightsoul types 'lesbian' than i do hearing about gay dudes running a choo choo train while railing amphetamines
I think the fundamental problem here is that you internally view being gay/traumatized/acting in these ways as being wrong, and therefore take extreme offence at YNS's and my posts.
The reality is a lot of these people are traumatized/confused/trying to fill some hole in their personality or mental wellness or whatever, and in addition or resultingly are gay - which is just life. It's not a judgment on them. So many of us are just a bundle of all these little traumas and unfulfilled desires and quirks and personality flaws. That's just how life works.
And to love humanity (in a non gay way ofc) is to see & recognize those flaws, and love each other nonetheless for them (no homo) - which starts with seeing and acknowledging them, not turning a blind eye.
I'm very excited to turn the topic of this thread to lesbians. The gay men choo choo train has I think run its course in this thread
So you disagree with yns? I'd just like that on the record
If you confirm that you disagree with yns I will stop being mad at you
see drawing lines is not a healthy habit with these kinds of opinions man. just like my opinion man