fuck the police general

[Nyte]

can you show me what you mean

[LuckyArtist]

Using big terms wrong and getting called out on it but then refusing to change deserves worse than what ewiz is doing mr good faith

[hbotz]

yes. he is arguing that your rhetoric is very similar to [facist/nazi/badpeople] rhetoric.

he demonstrates this by replacing the word "cop" with the word "jew". its pretty compelling to me. your rhetoric is apparently superficially similar. if there are subtle reasons why it is fundamentally different and not a problem, such as if cops are too powerful to be marginalized, you can just say it directly in good faith.

[_jdance]

Hbotz is definitely right. Ewiz is definitely wrong. End thread

[huber]

does rhetoric make the ideology?

[electrowizard]

@hbotz

i dont know if your social science theory is legitimate. asoul doesn't either. these were not established as common pretext surrounding the word "otherization".

Stop talking about things you have no fucking understanding of. Otherization as a word was developed under this context and only has any meaning in this context.

@hbotz

"the analogy between what you describe as otherizing cops with otherizing as a facist tactics is inappropriate for [reasons]" is very fair and possibly correct! i think you should say it properly

I fucking did. It's not my fault you can't read

@hbotz

all the bluster and rhetorical tactic simply implies to other people that your own position is not necessarily sound. that is what i am getting at. you aren't necessarily wrong, its just that people shouldnt listen to you.

Lmao

[_jdance]

I don't even know what rhetoric means

[huber]

I hope he ignores that actually

[Nyte]

i agree with you

[_jdance]

Ewiz is definitely angry again

[huber]

its the shit you see us all say to try and look correct and others look wrong

[Nyte]

and so are you

[electrowizard]

@hbotz

he demonstrates this by replacing the word "cop" with the word "jew". its pretty compelling to me. your rhetoric is apparently superficially similar. if there are subtle reasons why it is fundamentally different and not a problem, such as if cops are too powerful to be marginalized, you can just say it directly in good faith.

I FUCKING DID ALREADY

[_jdance]

I'm not angry I'm watching shameless

[big_ass]

My political inclination is toward a reduction in violence - that makes me opposed to left fascies but not any less of a leftist

No fascists believe they are targeting a disadvantaged & downtrodden group, that's not how fascism works

Therefore it is not sufficient to say "I'm not a violent fascist because the person I'm violating is not disadvantaged"

But anyway that point is already discussed and we've established where people fall on it. Just making my political position clear because I think it is easily misunderstood or misrepresented in this conversation

[electrowizard]

@electrowizard

@hbotz

ewiz just does a "yep the word otherization is wrong here go read a book" which is an equivocation tactic designed to discredit the opposition without bringing up the actual point of disagreement (the characteristics of facism)

Umm, no. I literally explained it. Asoul was the only one acting in bad faith by explicitly refusing to engage by first saying he didn't read the posts then just replacing words in them with "jews." Here's me making literally the exact argument you said I needed to make but didn't.

@electrowizard

Maybe you should read Gramsci before you talk about this shit. Hint: otherization is the construction of the Other that is necessarily the subaltern. Law enforcement clearly aren't subaltern: they're not excluded from socio-economic or socio-political structures.

You really love to talk out of your ass, don't you?

@electrowizard

Otherization is the construction of the Other with a big O. The Other is always excluded from socio-economic and socio-political power, either by the State or social structures. The police aren't excluded from those powers, and they are one of the State's mechanisms for constructing the subaltern. You can't otherize cops

@hbotz learn to fucking read

[hbotz]

why don't you just concede to the asoul-type definition of otherization? you should address his argument and not his language.

this is why its an equivocation. you are referring to two things with the same word. asoul with naive asoul-type "sounds facist" otherization and you with capital O Otherization in the context of your social theory.

[_jdance]

You should understand that ewiz is literally autistic and will never cede even the smallest of arguments regardless of any positive outcome that might occur

[big_ass]

Can you guys edit some ewiz posts with the word jew I do not have time to go back through the thread

[huber]

or you can edit refpsi posts and replace jew with police