fuck the police general

[electrowizard]

@big_ass

I know these are not your words but honestly MLK would be called a Nazi and a reactionary by people who don't understand history

Nah, the false image you paint of him would be. The one where he wasn't a full-blown communist and advocating for that.

[big_ass]

Cops are trained to see every situation as a potential violent encounter and to constantly be in fear for their lives

It's a real problem. Somehow I doubt it gets solved by writing "Send all cops to piggy heaven" on courthouses and throwing IEDs at them but I guess that's just me jumping to silly conclusions again

[_jdance]

My GF is mad at me and I have no idea why. Just gonna let her sit in it

[electrowizard]

@big_ass

@electrowizard

The Civil Rights movement wasn't successful.

Student of history here

Milliken v. Bradley gutted desegregation. Shelby County v. Holder gutted the Voting Rights Act. Police violence against black people is hugely disproportionate and goes unpunished for the most part. The prison-industrial complex speaks for itself. Care to tell me how it was successful?

@big_ass

I hate to say it but the guy's a total moron and I'm tired of wasting my time talking to him

Once again, I provide a shitload of arguments, citing specific cases, and you have absolutely nothing of value to say. You're too fucking stupid to construct an argument.

@big_ass

Ewhizzer - violent lunatic motivated by a lifetime of "Fuck you, Dad!" energy who is never going to stop loudly spouting bad and wrong opinions and bullying the people who challenge him on them

Hey, dumbfuck, you never responded to anything Gamut posted. You never responded to anything I posted. You are a complete dumbfuck and your opinion here is worthless until you provide a meaningful argument or evidence that anything you're saying has any merit.

[Gamut]

@big_ass

Answer the question. Without googling

Toronto cops have killed almost 40 people in 2020. I don't know the answer to your question. I'm going to guess more than 40.

[big_ass]

Thanks. Answer is 13

[Gamut]

Wow, great, sounds like the legal system is working perfectly. Wait, that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

[hbotz]

how many unarmed non-black people tho

and also is the mechanism that the police think they are armed but they are not?

[electrowizard]

@big_ass

That doesn't mean I don't think it was awful that he was shot and the cops totally mishandled the situation, but I think the way you presented it totally misrepresents the situation.

Arizona doesn’t have specific castle laws; however, Arizona does permit physical force, and deadly force when reasonable and immediately necessary to prevent several serious crimes, including Burglary in the first and second degree. Practically speaking, intruders inside the home can usually be reasonably perceived to be committing theft or another felony in one’s home, which is the definition of burglary. Thus, the use of physical force against home intruders is almost always permissible. Deadly force is also allowed, but it must be reasonable and immediately necessary under the circumstances.

https://tobinlawoffice.com/2016/03/self-defense-laws-in-the-state-of-arizona-when-is-assault-or-physical-force-justified/#:~:text=Arizona%20doesn't%20have%20specific,the%20first%20and%20second%20degree.&text=Thus%2C%20the%20use%20of%20physical,intruders%20is%20almost%20always%20permissible.

[electrowizard]

@big_ass

Cops are trained to see every situation as a potential violent encounter and to constantly be in fear for their lives

It's a real problem. Somehow I doubt it gets solved by writing "Send all cops to piggy heaven" on courthouses and throwing IEDs at them but I guess that's just me jumping to silly conclusions again

So your solution is to fund the police more so they can get trained differently? Fundamentally, policing is an institution built to protect private property. It stems from slave patrols in the US. It will always serve the interests of capital which is, guess what, protecting the rich and oppressing the poor. Guess what race is disproportionately poor.

[Gamut]

lol canadians getting mad go back to CANADA

[hbotz]

wait buddy those are meaningless statistics. sometimes the police shoot people and it is justified.

what if ur police system is just amazing and 100/100 police shooting deaths are legit?

[hbotz]

u need to specifically indicate which portion of the shooting is not justified, for example unarmed people.

[electrowizard]

@Gamut

"Martin Luther King wouldn't want you to set that courthouse on fire!"

I wonder if being fucking MURDERED would have changed his mind on that.

He would have been into it 100%:

like many Southern black people, he armed himself before the 1960s against violent attacks by white supremacists. His nonviolent resistance never meant private abandonment of self-defense or even complete conversion to pacifism. And it certainly did not commit future activists to nonviolence or love by association.

King's Message of Nonviolence Has Been Distorted

Hey, @theGreatWingdingi, what do you think of this? How do you reconcile it with your portrayal of King as never acknowledging violence as a legitimate tactic?

the effectiveness of King’s nonviolence was incomplete in that it could only promote social change in America as long as it persuaded only black people to remain nonviolent toward their white oppressors. Once King began to apply this philosophy to American foreign policy issues such as the Vietnam War, his attempts at moral suasion fell once again on stony hearts. Even before his assassination on April 4, 1968, both white conservatives and moderates used King’s nonviolence as a cudgel to curtail the recurring riots that burned America’s cities in 1966 and 1967. But King himself looked beyond the rubble of a riot to the root cause: racism.

In his “Letter from Birmingham Jail,” King reserved choice words for the white moderates who took more exception to his methods than to the discrimination he sought to dismantle. “I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice;” he wrote, “who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action.’”

[hbotz]

ironically this makes me more sympathetic towards the System because people who set things on fire should be arrested. so if activists actually do set things on fire since its the only play, it only makes sense to arrest activists and use the fbi to track their activities. and also since personally my life is good i also am not in a position to support setting things on fire since i am more devoted to order than to justice.

we should just solve things within the capitalist paradigm by mailing people checks

[hbotz]

@Gamut sir pls what do you think of gun control im trying to measure if ur a canadian or an anarchist

[_jdance]

@hbotz

we should just solve things within the capitalist paradigm by mailing people checks

[Gamut]

@hbotz

what if ur police system is just amazing and 100/100 police shooting deaths are legit?

Yeah I'm sure that's what's going on.

Only one death – that of Clayton Crawford near Whitecourt, Alta. in July 2018 – resulted in charges being laid. After a nearly two-year investigation by the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team (ASIRT), two RCMP officers were charged earlier this month with criminal negligence causing death.

According to ASIRT's report, an off-duty RCMP officer found Crawford asleep in a vehicle at a rest stop near Whitecourt. The officer believed the vehicle was the "distinctive" one police were looking for in connection with a shooting the previous day in Valhalla Centre, Alta., more than 300 kilometres away.

The off-duty officer reported his suspicion to his working colleagues. When they approached the vehicle, ASIRT found, there was a confrontation and Crawford tried to drive away. Two officers fired at the vehicle, which soon crashed. Crawford, who had been hit by more than one shot, died.

It is not clear why the Crown believes the actions of the officers amount to criminal negligence causing death, and the allegations against the officers have not been tested in court. Both officers were on active duty before the charges were laid but have since been suspended with pay.

Murdered.

Punishment: Vacation.

[hbotz]

yes im just saying you cannot gauge the extent of the problem using those statistics unless you have a competing figure for the proportion of truly unjustified shootings compared to the ones successfully prosecuted.

[Gamut]

I think it's pretty clear the US has a giant shooting problem that gun control could help solve, but it's not enough by itself. The real issue is media blowing every shooter up to celebrity status, and they're too obsessed with money to stop.