fuck the police general

I didn't imply that, I was responding to hbotz saying that's true.

I never fucking said this you absolute fucking dumbass. I said the shit about the BLM protests targeting Jewish people was not fucking true and the fucking ADL provided the evidence of it. I never talked about fucking pogroms at all except to say the comparison between pogroms and the LA looting is fucking absurd and provably wrong.

Respond to the fucking proof that you're wrong about the protesters targeting Jewish communities.

Yeah, because they loot all the wealth from poor neighborhoods through exploitation of the workers and incarceration accompanied by the policies of civil forfeiture, which was upheld by SCOTUS in Bennis v. Michigan.

Comparing this to genocide is fundamentally wrong: you can choose not to be rich. They aren't a group that is being killed and incarcerated en masse for their status. Go fuck yourself with your bad faith bullshit.

If someone in any way degraded the quality of my Funko Pop collection below mint condition I might be forced into violence myself

This isn't fucking true. Control of necessary resources will always introduce a trading imbalance, and that will always be able to happen when there is private property, which always exists in capitalism by definition. It doesn't need to be forced by violence: coercion and soft power works just as well.

This sounds absurd but it is actually what they are saying

They are so entrenched in the idea that violent crime is accomplishing something, that certain people deserve to be violated - that they justify violent crimes against themselves.

What does a violent crime against yourself achieve? Do you believe you deserve it due to living in a system of white supremacy? This is some fucked up shit.

You are so fucking stupid. Your definition makes the consequences of capitalism necessary outcomes. The definition of communism does not at all you bad faith, uneducated, moronic shithead. Your ideas are fucking worthless because of how fucking stupid you are. You add nothing to any discussion because you're a complete moron. You need to shut the fuck up.

No it fucking isn't. Destruction of private property is distinct from destruction of personal property. Once more, another bad faith, false analogy from asoul with no actual response to the substantive arguments and provable facts that he's wrong.

Holy shit you are an awful person. Equivocating violence against a person and violence against property is saying that property is worth just as much as a person. You admit with this shit that you are truly horrific.

You really are the worst of the worst in society. You value property as much as human life. You are complete scum.

They could give up their wealth so that they exist at the same median as the rest of the country. Instead, they make token gestures to avoid taxes (looking at you, Bill Gates).

its hard to take this seriously because of the scale problem.

how about all the human life not directly in front of you? black americans are almost certainly in the top 50% of privilege globally.

people have different values.

i think bill gates almost certainly does more good for the world by doing token charity than he would by "giving up his wealth".

what does "giving up his wealth" entail?

ewiz is scum for caring only about american people and american values when the extent of human suffering is so large. truly the worst kind of person, he who cares about humans whenever it is convenient to do so.

At risk of actually engaging ewhizzer in any way I will say

It's about violent crime you daft punk.

Burning someone's house and destroying their business is a violent crime that accomplishes nothing. Yes, in many ways it is as serious and as devastating a violation as being personally assaulted. No, I'm not saying material possessions are as valuable as human life, you're just pulling out some dumb shit to argue over.

a human american life is worth a few million dollars.

You dumb motherfucker: how many times do I have to cite mass incarceration?

You absolute fucking moron. Two nights ago you argued for hours with me when I said that globalized capitalism is exporting a ton of its negative countries to developing nations and that is part of its inherent injustice. You're the one ignoring the human life not in front of you and saying "they're just fine, the sweatshop is good." By that argument, black people in the US are not in the top 50% of privilege globally. You need to provide some source for the statistic. And, if they are, this doesn't preclude there being injustice agains them and working against injustice somewhere is not mutually exclusive with working against injustice elsewhere.

Not only do you fail to ever discuss in a manner that isn't bad faith, but you're too fucking stupid to even realize the difference. Fuck yourself

He could do the same charity by giving up all his wealth but at a much greater magnitude. Hint: giving up your wealth isn't fucking burning it. It's displacing it.

You are an absolute moron and scum. You admitted earlier you'd have been a nazi because of convenience. You argue that sweatshops are good things. You're the one who doesn't care about anything that doesn't affect you. You are human garbage.

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i think the suffering of other countries is caused by a lack of effective capitalism there. but i am not confident. there may be many reasons. i think if u conveniently categorize all the ills in the world as a capitalism-institutional object and declare that the enemy and claim it to be the purest morality, you have merely performed a sleight of hand to convince yourself of your own morality and are purposefully blind to the complexity of the situation.

i think if you burn down the institutions you will make many people's lives worse and few people's lives better. thats my main point. if you disagree with that and think the world will be saved, i cant do much except note that you are probably wrong and the FBI ought to stop you.

you are free to think so.

Elecrowizard why don't you do us all a favor and answer the following questions in as straightforward a fashion as you can

  1. How would you describe your political beliefs (anarchism? communism? left-totalitarianism? anarcho-syndicalism?)

  2. How do you see these goals accomplished, how do you get a majority of Americans on board with this/fix broken American institutions

  3. How much violence is justified, what sort of violence, against whom? You are talking about terms like "personal vs private" property and making unclear statements about burning rich neighborhoods. 3a) who should be targeted with violence; 3b) What sort of violence should they be targeted with